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	<title>Comments on: Television: CW Gives Out an Advance Look at Supernatural S5.08 Changing Channels And It&#8217;s A Tricky Ride For Sam and Dean Winchester!</title>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7308</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, nothing to marginalize him... just beat the audience over the head again that Sam betrayed Dean, completely ignoring all mitigating circumstances, and when combined with the whole Dean is the good son/brother/Michael vessel and Sam the rebel son/betraying brother/Lucifer vessel--and both ALL ALONG, and it would have been better for John, Mary, Dean and the world if Sam had never been born, it&#039;s just too much. 
 
I actually really enjoyed the parodies, Jensen and Jared did outsanding jobs, it&#039;s the mytharc (and continual retconning) I have a problem with. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, nothing to marginalize him&#8230; just beat the audience over the head again that Sam betrayed Dean, completely ignoring all mitigating circumstances, and when combined with the whole Dean is the good son/brother/Michael vessel and Sam the rebel son/betraying brother/Lucifer vessel&#8211;and both ALL ALONG, and it would have been better for John, Mary, Dean and the world if Sam had never been born, it&#039;s just too much. </p>
<p>I actually really enjoyed the parodies, Jensen and Jared did outsanding jobs, it&#039;s the mytharc (and continual retconning) I have a problem with.</p>
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		<title>By: M R Reed</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7306</link>
		<dc:creator>M R Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Dean is always right about everything and Sam is always wrong. Why bother watching this crap anymore? I feel sick, and I was so looking forward to this episode. &quot; 
 
Jill I&#039;m sorry I made you feel that way. My whole point, probably put across not as well as it should have been, is I think the Trickster was trying to both warn and protect Sam from making a decision whose consequences would not be what he thought they would be. That more harm than good would be done.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Dean is always right about everything and Sam is always wrong. Why bother watching this crap anymore? I feel sick, and I was so looking forward to this episode. &quot; </p>
<p>Jill I&#039;m sorry I made you feel that way. My whole point, probably put across not as well as it should have been, is I think the Trickster was trying to both warn and protect Sam from making a decision whose consequences would not be what he thought they would be. That more harm than good would be done.</p>
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		<title>By: M R Reed</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7305</link>
		<dc:creator>M R Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I messed up convening my point! Sorry about that. All I meant was that by having the Tuesdays constantly reset that this was The Tricksters way without getting himself in trouble with the other Angels of telling Sam that Dean would be &#039;reset&#039; so Sam didn&#039;t have to do anything drastic and be pushed into doing something. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I messed up convening my point! Sorry about that. All I meant was that by having the Tuesdays constantly reset that this was The Tricksters way without getting himself in trouble with the other Angels of telling Sam that Dean would be &#039;reset&#039; so Sam didn&#039;t have to do anything drastic and be pushed into doing something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7304</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, okay. I understand now. And I can kind of see that point, unless he was trying to get Sam to not do anything so as not to prevent Dean from going to Hell, thus prompting all the events following as they&#039;re supposed to occur (if we&#039;re going by the whole &quot;destiny&quot; thing here).  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, okay. I understand now. And I can kind of see that point, unless he was trying to get Sam to not do anything so as not to prevent Dean from going to Hell, thus prompting all the events following as they&#039;re supposed to occur (if we&#039;re going by the whole &quot;destiny&quot; thing here).</p>
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		<title>By: M R Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>M R Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam is not worthless. I would never say that. What I said was the Trickster was trying to show Sam that the consequences of his actions might not be what he thinks they are and that rushing to save something...be it Dean or the world without considering what the consequences might be rather than what he thinks they will be could be a huge mistake. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam is not worthless. I would never say that. What I said was the Trickster was trying to show Sam that the consequences of his actions might not be what he thinks they are and that rushing to save something&#8230;be it Dean or the world without considering what the consequences might be rather than what he thinks they will be could be a huge mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: M R Reed</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7302</link>
		<dc:creator>M R Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by my feeling that by constantly resetting the Tuesdays, the Trickster was trying to tell Sam that someone else would reset things and bring Dean back. 
 
By now you have all seen the episode and know that the Trickster is really the Arch Angel Gabriel and was in on knowing the plans of the Angels. I believe that in Mystery Spot that The Trickster/Gabriel was trying to stop Sam from his part in starting the Apocalypse without drawing the wrath of the other Angels because there was no way left for him to stop Dean from breaking the first seal.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by my feeling that by constantly resetting the Tuesdays, the Trickster was trying to tell Sam that someone else would reset things and bring Dean back. </p>
<p>By now you have all seen the episode and know that the Trickster is really the Arch Angel Gabriel and was in on knowing the plans of the Angels. I believe that in Mystery Spot that The Trickster/Gabriel was trying to stop Sam from his part in starting the Apocalypse without drawing the wrath of the other Angels because there was no way left for him to stop Dean from breaking the first seal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mousitsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mousitsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amy, thanks for that clarification -- it helps. In that case, I never got an impression in MS that some higher power would save Dean if Sam stopped trying. That&#039;s something we found out later... that Castiel was sent to raise Dean from perdition before he broke the first seal. But that was not info implied in MS.  If we go along with the retconning, then Trickster was trying to convince Sam to NOT try to save Dean, so that Dean would be &quot;right where we want him&quot;... in hell to break down and break the first seal. I also need to hypothesize that Tall Tales was the real Trickster, and he got &#039;vesselized&#039; in MS, otherwise the TT actions don&#039;t fit in to the actions of an angel in this retcon.  As far as Sam, there was nothing that marginalized him in this episode. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy, thanks for that clarification &#8212; it helps. In that case, I never got an impression in MS that some higher power would save Dean if Sam stopped trying. That&#039;s something we found out later&#8230; that Castiel was sent to raise Dean from perdition before he broke the first seal. But that was not info implied in MS.  If we go along with the retconning, then Trickster was trying to convince Sam to NOT try to save Dean, so that Dean would be &quot;right where we want him&quot;&#8230; in hell to break down and break the first seal. I also need to hypothesize that Tall Tales was the real Trickster, and he got &#039;vesselized&#039; in MS, otherwise the TT actions don&#039;t fit in to the actions of an angel in this retcon.  As far as Sam, there was nothing that marginalized him in this episode.</p>
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		<title>By: M R Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>M R Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was just a musing. my point was I thought the Trickster was trying to tell Sam to let it go and that the whole point of the Tuesday&#039;s constanly resetting was an indication that Dean would be saved in the end and things would reset and Sam really didn&#039;t have to do anything. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was just a musing. my point was I thought the Trickster was trying to tell Sam to let it go and that the whole point of the Tuesday&#039;s constanly resetting was an indication that Dean would be saved in the end and things would reset and Sam really didn&#039;t have to do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7292</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mousita 
 
The issue the commentors have with the review is this: 
 
&quot; That he didn&#8217;t have to &#8216;save Dean&#8217; that a higher power would do it for him and things would in essence &#8216;reset&#8217;. That with Sam trying to &#8216;save the world&#8217; he did more harm than good&quot; 
 
Not about who suggests they talk to the Trickster or the lesson the Trickster was trying to teach Sam. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mousita </p>
<p>The issue the commentors have with the review is this: </p>
<p>&quot; That he didn&rsquo;t have to &lsquo;save Dean&rsquo; that a higher power would do it for him and things would in essence &lsquo;reset&rsquo;. That with Sam trying to &lsquo;save the world&rsquo; he did more harm than good&quot; </p>
<p>Not about who suggests they talk to the Trickster or the lesson the Trickster was trying to teach Sam.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.  The Trickster wanted Sam to give up on saving Dean because nothing good would come of it.  There was nothing about not killing bad guys except his own self.   
 
I loved MS, and you could say that was less than kind to Sam.  But I loved it for the time spent and the exploration of his character, even the negative spaces.  They could have done that all along, instead of playing a silly shell game that pushed Sam&#039;s entire sl off-screen for a full season, or even two!   
 
I just want CC to be fair in looking at Sam&#039;s darker self, whether it is in the past or present.  Knowing there is a risk that Sam will be blamed for everything (again!) is one thing, having it confirmed is another.  I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll enjoy the episode, I just don&#039;t know what to hope for anymore. 
 
               
 
 
 
     
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.  The Trickster wanted Sam to give up on saving Dean because nothing good would come of it.  There was nothing about not killing bad guys except his own self.   </p>
<p>I loved MS, and you could say that was less than kind to Sam.  But I loved it for the time spent and the exploration of his character, even the negative spaces.  They could have done that all along, instead of playing a silly shell game that pushed Sam&#039;s entire sl off-screen for a full season, or even two!   </p>
<p>I just want CC to be fair in looking at Sam&#039;s darker self, whether it is in the past or present.  Knowing there is a risk that Sam will be blamed for everything (again!) is one thing, having it confirmed is another.  I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll enjoy the episode, I just don&#039;t know what to hope for anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s going to be the case. Maybe it&#039;s just this author&#039;s musings or interpretation. It might be best to just wait and see for yourself how the episode is going to go. Don&#039;t write it off yet. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s going to be the case. Maybe it&#039;s just this author&#039;s musings or interpretation. It might be best to just wait and see for yourself how the episode is going to go. Don&#039;t write it off yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7285</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I thought.  
 
And yeah, it certainly does seem that way from what the author wrote. Hopefully it&#039;s just their interpretation/musings and not what we&#039;re actually going to see in the episode. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s what I thought.  </p>
<p>And yeah, it certainly does seem that way from what the author wrote. Hopefully it&#039;s just their interpretation/musings and not what we&#039;re actually going to see in the episode.</p>
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		<title>By: percysowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>percysowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope, the Trickster told Sam that Dean was dead and doing the &quot;Hellfire Rhumba&quot; as they spoke. There was no indication that Dean would ever be saved. But, hey, only Sam is the bad guy in the whole situation.  Everyone else is a saint.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, the Trickster told Sam that Dean was dead and doing the &quot;Hellfire Rhumba&quot; as they spoke. There was no indication that Dean would ever be saved. But, hey, only Sam is the bad guy in the whole situation.  Everyone else is a saint.</p>
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		<title>By: Mousitsa</title>
		<link>http://eclipsemagazine.com/television/13242/comment-page-1/#comment-7283</link>
		<dc:creator>Mousitsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>continued... 
 
I also don&#039;t understand where folks are getting the impression that Dean wants to do &quot;nothing&quot;.  Both boys are heroes by putting themselves in danger to stop the baddies.  And both boys are equally at fault for this mess... Dean started it, Sam finished it.  Dean isn&#039;t mad at Sam for killing Lilith (which he would&#039;ve done as well) but for choosing a demon over his own brother.   
 
Tall Tales was like a filler MOTW episode at the time.  But Mystery Spot was definitely more pivotal and profound.  Trickster tried to teach Sam what life would be like without Dean. But if Trickster were as smart and powerful as he claims to be, then he should know that the brothers are loyal to each other to the bitter end and nothing will change that.  It sounds more like Trickster was telling Sam to give up, to not bother trying to save Dean, that way Dean would go to hell and like the Crossroad Demon said, they would &quot;have him right where we want him.&quot;  Gotta wonder which team Trickster is batting for. 
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<p>I also don&#039;t understand where folks are getting the impression that Dean wants to do &quot;nothing&quot;.  Both boys are heroes by putting themselves in danger to stop the baddies.  And both boys are equally at fault for this mess&#8230; Dean started it, Sam finished it.  Dean isn&#039;t mad at Sam for killing Lilith (which he would&#039;ve done as well) but for choosing a demon over his own brother.   </p>
<p>Tall Tales was like a filler MOTW episode at the time.  But Mystery Spot was definitely more pivotal and profound.  Trickster tried to teach Sam what life would be like without Dean. But if Trickster were as smart and powerful as he claims to be, then he should know that the brothers are loyal to each other to the bitter end and nothing will change that.  It sounds more like Trickster was telling Sam to give up, to not bother trying to save Dean, that way Dean would go to hell and like the Crossroad Demon said, they would &quot;have him right where we want him.&quot;  Gotta wonder which team Trickster is batting for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mousitsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mousitsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um, there is no evidence whatsoever that this episode will be another beat down on Sam, so why not wait to see the episode before making such a statement!  Reading thru the comments, I wonder if we&#039;re all watching the same show.  The reviewer said that Sam suggests they talk to Trickster, and Dean goes along with it. So where do some get the idea that Sam is being discounted?  It appears that the bros will need to work together to go up against Trickster again. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, there is no evidence whatsoever that this episode will be another beat down on Sam, so why not wait to see the episode before making such a statement!  Reading thru the comments, I wonder if we&#039;re all watching the same show.  The reviewer said that Sam suggests they talk to Trickster, and Dean goes along with it. So where do some get the idea that Sam is being discounted?  It appears that the bros will need to work together to go up against Trickster again.</p>
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		<title>By: Simyeta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simyeta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is that both boys had the same goal in mind - to save the world, to keep Lucifer from rising, and to keep the other one&#039;s soul intact.  Dean didn&#039;t want Sam to travel down a wrong road, and Sam thought Dean had been too damaged by hell to be strong enough to kill Lillith on his own.  Both of them were misguided, screwed and manipulated all over the place, yet Sam gets not one iota of sympathy.  Granted he messed up  - trust Ruby was the wrong thing to do, but then again , trusting &quot;angels&quot; was the wrong thing to do too.  In spite of the fact that Dean said he did not trust the angels, he was going to follow their plan (which at the time he thought was to kill Lillith), so to me, anyway, it&#039;s a wash.  Either of the boys could have brought on the end of the world.  Just turns out both did.  And it was just bad luck that Sam opened the gate and let Lucifer out.  It could very easily have been Dean. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that both boys had the same goal in mind &#8211; to save the world, to keep Lucifer from rising, and to keep the other one&#039;s soul intact.  Dean didn&#039;t want Sam to travel down a wrong road, and Sam thought Dean had been too damaged by hell to be strong enough to kill Lillith on his own.  Both of them were misguided, screwed and manipulated all over the place, yet Sam gets not one iota of sympathy.  Granted he messed up  &#8211; trust Ruby was the wrong thing to do, but then again , trusting &quot;angels&quot; was the wrong thing to do too.  In spite of the fact that Dean said he did not trust the angels, he was going to follow their plan (which at the time he thought was to kill Lillith), so to me, anyway, it&#039;s a wash.  Either of the boys could have brought on the end of the world.  Just turns out both did.  And it was just bad luck that Sam opened the gate and let Lucifer out.  It could very easily have been Dean.</p>
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		<title>By: Simyeta </title>
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		<dc:creator>Simyeta </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Irritating to me (and other fans I know) is the opinion that if Dean had killed Lillith - thinking that doing so would save the world - he would be hailed as a hero nonetheless and not a screwup or horrible person.  If the &quot;angels&quot; had led him astray, he would have been given the benefit of the doubt and would have received all kinds of sympathy for getting screwed by them.  Dean told Sam how many times that it was HIS job to kill Lillith?  He told Sam when he locked him up in the panic room that he and Bobby were going to kill her.  Not knowing, of course, that it would actually release Lucifer. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irritating to me (and other fans I know) is the opinion that if Dean had killed Lillith &#8211; thinking that doing so would save the world &#8211; he would be hailed as a hero nonetheless and not a screwup or horrible person.  If the &quot;angels&quot; had led him astray, he would have been given the benefit of the doubt and would have received all kinds of sympathy for getting screwed by them.  Dean told Sam how many times that it was HIS job to kill Lillith?  He told Sam when he locked him up in the panic room that he and Bobby were going to kill her.  Not knowing, of course, that it would actually release Lucifer.</p>
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		<title>By: Celia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jill, yes, it&#039;s been my problem with the show a long time; crappy writing. Haven&#039;t watched much lately but the Horatio scene in the promos I caught had me thinking that maybe this episode was worth it. Then I read this and the fact that heroes on this show are not at all proactive but just follow orders just goes against all hero myth I&#039;ve ever read about, in any culture.  The only proactive  stunts that will not bring hell to earth is taking angels to whorehouses and it just has me roll my eyes.  Both characters are being ridiculed by now.  
 
At this point, it&#039;s just too stupid to watch even for the pretty boys.  
 
And yes, the sad morale really is what you say: &quot;And remember kids, next time you see evil in the world, or family in peril, don&#039;t do anything at all - that&#039;s what heroes do, after all, nothing.&quot; 
 
And that really is the sign of the times , isn&#039;t it? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill, yes, it&#039;s been my problem with the show a long time; crappy writing. Haven&#039;t watched much lately but the Horatio scene in the promos I caught had me thinking that maybe this episode was worth it. Then I read this and the fact that heroes on this show are not at all proactive but just follow orders just goes against all hero myth I&#039;ve ever read about, in any culture.  The only proactive  stunts that will not bring hell to earth is taking angels to whorehouses and it just has me roll my eyes.  Both characters are being ridiculed by now.  </p>
<p>At this point, it&#039;s just too stupid to watch even for the pretty boys.  </p>
<p>And yes, the sad morale really is what you say: &quot;And remember kids, next time you see evil in the world, or family in peril, don&#039;t do anything at all &#8211; that&#039;s what heroes do, after all, nothing.&quot; </p>
<p>And that really is the sign of the times , isn&#039;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but I like my shows to be good and to have good writing.  What is wrong with being passionate?  Truth is, I have never liked the writing on SPN, even though I&#039;ve been obsessed over it since season 2, when I started watching it.  However, frustrations do grow if problems aren&#039;t fixed, or are made worse over time.  I have been frustrated over the writing for Sam since I started watching the show, actually.  I almost thought it was getting better in season 3, but then they dropped his story entirely for Dean&#039;s Deal, then they compounded the problem by hiding him in the background while making him the Wrongest Person in Wrongville, for the entire fourth season!  It is season 5, and ALL of the angels still ignore Sam completely.  It is ridiculous and it is poor writing, poor plotting and poor characterization.  God, it made me sick and it cost SPN some long-time viewers, who basically dropped the show and never came back.   
 
At any rate, I thought I should mention that Sam didn&#039;t sacrifice a human being in MS.  He knifed Bobby because he thought he was a not-Bobby, aka, The Trickster or a shape-shifter, some kind of dupe.  Also, while the human host was innocent in LuR, the demon inside her was certainly not.  Sam wasn&#039;t drinking human blood, but demon blood - big difference.  Yes, they are combined, but one is not the same as the other.  Plus, Sam didn&#039;t even need the blood to kill Lillith - the issue is that the sacrifice was not truly required  by the circumstances, because Ruby lied to Sam about how his powers worked, because Sam needed a &quot;feather&quot; like Dumbo, to believe in himself.  Sam never had to become addicted to demon blood at all, and that was the cause of so much damage in season 4.  Yes, Sam made all those poor choices his own self, and he could and should have chosen differently.  That is on Sam.  But to say that Sam should have spent season 4 sitting on his ass rather than trying to oh, I don&#039;t know, stop the apocalypse or kill some evil demons, is too much.   
 
Sam was lied to, he never had full knowledge of anything that went down in season 4.  Maybe the Trickster should have just sent Sam an email about what he really meant, because it sure wasn&#039;t clear to me.  All he said to Sam was to stop trying to save Dean, nothing else.  I get the link between human sacrifices, I do, it has been brought up on forums.  But the situations were still entirely different.  MS was about saving Dean, but LuR was about saving the world.  Or stopping Lillith, which looked like the same thing at the time.  But the thing is, Sam didn&#039;t take a human sacrifice in MS, not really.  He thought he was killing a replica of Bobby - he was not making a human sacrifice.  Sam got Dean back by pleading with the Trickster directly - he begged that torturing egotist, begged him, on Dean&#039;s behalf.  Maybe the Trickster would have brought Dean back at some point on his own, but we don&#039;t know that.  Sam asked for Dean back with total sincerity and real feeling, after months of blocking all his emotions, becoming a robot.  That took real courage.  And the Trickster was just there to insult him after torturing him for 6 months.  I love MS, I really do, and I could wind up loving CC, but watching Sam get bitch-slapped for everything is just nauseating.  I&#039;m not looking forward to that tonight. 
 
And remember kids, next time you see evil in the world, or family in peril, don&#039;t do anything at all - that&#039;s what heroes do, after all, nothing.   
 
*head slap* 
 
 
   
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but I like my shows to be good and to have good writing.  What is wrong with being passionate?  Truth is, I have never liked the writing on SPN, even though I&#039;ve been obsessed over it since season 2, when I started watching it.  However, frustrations do grow if problems aren&#039;t fixed, or are made worse over time.  I have been frustrated over the writing for Sam since I started watching the show, actually.  I almost thought it was getting better in season 3, but then they dropped his story entirely for Dean&#039;s Deal, then they compounded the problem by hiding him in the background while making him the Wrongest Person in Wrongville, for the entire fourth season!  It is season 5, and ALL of the angels still ignore Sam completely.  It is ridiculous and it is poor writing, poor plotting and poor characterization.  God, it made me sick and it cost SPN some long-time viewers, who basically dropped the show and never came back.   </p>
<p>At any rate, I thought I should mention that Sam didn&#039;t sacrifice a human being in MS.  He knifed Bobby because he thought he was a not-Bobby, aka, The Trickster or a shape-shifter, some kind of dupe.  Also, while the human host was innocent in LuR, the demon inside her was certainly not.  Sam wasn&#039;t drinking human blood, but demon blood &#8211; big difference.  Yes, they are combined, but one is not the same as the other.  Plus, Sam didn&#039;t even need the blood to kill Lillith &#8211; the issue is that the sacrifice was not truly required  by the circumstances, because Ruby lied to Sam about how his powers worked, because Sam needed a &quot;feather&quot; like Dumbo, to believe in himself.  Sam never had to become addicted to demon blood at all, and that was the cause of so much damage in season 4.  Yes, Sam made all those poor choices his own self, and he could and should have chosen differently.  That is on Sam.  But to say that Sam should have spent season 4 sitting on his ass rather than trying to oh, I don&#039;t know, stop the apocalypse or kill some evil demons, is too much.   </p>
<p>Sam was lied to, he never had full knowledge of anything that went down in season 4.  Maybe the Trickster should have just sent Sam an email about what he really meant, because it sure wasn&#039;t clear to me.  All he said to Sam was to stop trying to save Dean, nothing else.  I get the link between human sacrifices, I do, it has been brought up on forums.  But the situations were still entirely different.  MS was about saving Dean, but LuR was about saving the world.  Or stopping Lillith, which looked like the same thing at the time.  But the thing is, Sam didn&#039;t take a human sacrifice in MS, not really.  He thought he was killing a replica of Bobby &#8211; he was not making a human sacrifice.  Sam got Dean back by pleading with the Trickster directly &#8211; he begged that torturing egotist, begged him, on Dean&#039;s behalf.  Maybe the Trickster would have brought Dean back at some point on his own, but we don&#039;t know that.  Sam asked for Dean back with total sincerity and real feeling, after months of blocking all his emotions, becoming a robot.  That took real courage.  And the Trickster was just there to insult him after torturing him for 6 months.  I love MS, I really do, and I could wind up loving CC, but watching Sam get bitch-slapped for everything is just nauseating.  I&#039;m not looking forward to that tonight. </p>
<p>And remember kids, next time you see evil in the world, or family in peril, don&#039;t do anything at all &#8211; that&#039;s what heroes do, after all, nothing.   </p>
<p>*head slap*</p>
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		<dc:creator>Supernatural parodies competitors for Sweeps &#171; Girl with Remote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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