Comments on: TV Recap: Change is Not Always Welcome – A Commentary on Supernatural 5.06 I Believe the Children Are Our Future

By: Muse

Muse — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:13:39 +0000

I hate to admit it but I'm not surprised the show is trying to retcon Sam's childhood since they seem to be intent on finding as many excuses as possible for his behavior last year. Too bad, because as you said, it doing more harm than good to his character. The writers really need to trust that JP can make Sam sympathetic all on his own instead of trying to stack the deck in his favor all the time.

By: M R Reed

M R Reed — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:51:04 +0000

'There's a lot of childhood left after 9 years old. I think Sam's 'me too' speaks to that and your assumption that the writers have dropped the ball because of that is quite the exaggeration. "

Yes I agree there is lot of childhood left, but I think the point I was making is John started out lying to Sam trying to protect him, as was Dean. Sam took it upon himself to read the journal and expose himself to the truth. We don't know how long John, with Dean's help would have gone on trying to protect Sam from it. So the fact that Sam says 'me too' seems to suddenly put the burden on his dad when in reality, it was Sam who forced the truth onto himself at such an early age by seeking it out. Once he did that, his dad started making him ready for it.

By: M R Reed

M R Reed — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:43:48 +0000

Grand Sophy that's an interesting take on it. I can see Sam feeling that way especially since I think he might consider it part of the reason why Dean was so overly protective and they are having the 'let me grow up' issue that is going on between them right now.

Thanks for sharing that and giving me something to think about. Cool!

By: M R Reed

M R Reed — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:09:46 +0000

Yes I watched the end of season 4. The thing about perception is that we all sometimes see things differently. Thanks for sharing yours. To me, the details that Sam told Dean about in IKWYDLS were setting in canon that Sam chose to allow himself completely follow Ruby after Dean was dead.

The throwdown was induced and influenced by the siren or do you mean the one where Dean went to kill Ruby and Sam chose sides and the whole 'walk out the door never come back ' scene took place?

Again thanks for sharing and commenting. Always appreciated:)

By: Mariah

Mariah — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:24:00 +0000

There's a lot of childhood left after 9 years old. I think Sam's 'me too' speaks to that and your assumption that the writers have dropped the ball because of that is quite the exaggeration.

I'm curious if you actually watched the end of S4 because THAT is when Sam ran off with Ruby and THAT is the time period that is a bone of contention to the boys. I don't think Kripke ever ment us to feel that Dean was angry over what his brother did while he was in hell. Dean knew about that from the jump and while he wasn't happy, he wasn't there, so what was he to do? No, the real issue is that after Dean was backm, Sam still continued to side with Ruby. You do remember the Winchester throwdown in the hotel, right? Don't you think that is probably more important to Dean than what happened while he was torturing souls in hell?

If you're going to rail about cannon, at least get the cannon right in the first place.

By: Sansa

Sansa — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:32:45 +0000

The 'me too' didn't bother me either because I thought Sammy was pointed out the years after Dean have made him read the journal , when John have taught him how to defend himself , guns , when they were hunting etc .

I hope , too , that we will see a little bite more of a change 'of face' for Cas , it sound Sam doesn't like Cas a lot , why ? There is no really connection between them , and if Cas is a friend to his big brother , it doesnt' mean he have to be his friend , too . I'm starting to wonder why Sam doesn't like Cas , I loved that Dean didn't try to defend Sam and let the two of them having their little argument .

I was really stunned that Supernatural have implied the masturbation in the show and that CW allowed it ! Wow ! Dean Dean Dean , I appreciated the humour even if I am totally aware everyone don't like this kind of humour . That fit the atmosphere of the ep.

After I wonder like you how the 'new' writers work because sometimes , uh ..

Oh ! And I want more Cas , I miss Dean & Cas scenes !

By: Nitewoman

Nitewoman — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:45:31 +0000

"First I want to mention that I was HUGELY disappointed that Sam Winchester was not given the chance to make a sarcastic reference to the 2005 horror movie Devour;" Are you referring to when it was stated Jesse was half human half demon? I agree that would have been sweet.
Unlike you Sam's "me too" didn't bother me, I assumed he was referring to his life with Dean, and when he did find out "For my ninth birthday Dad gave me a shotgun" or having empathy for what Dean went through. So for me I didn't see where it did any damage to the canon. And this season I sure don't feel that they are making Sam out as an idiot. He has a lot of soul searching left to do…and a long road ahead to repair the damage he caused espically with his betrayal with Dean

I so like the way you said this. I loved seeing the nine year old inner child of Dean. This is the first real fun Dean has had in a very long time. Very much needed for his recovery.

I will give in to the creative way but it was still eewww! and I agree as usual Jared and Jensen both hit this episode out of the ballpark.

By: grand sophy

grand sophy — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:15:06 +0000

I wonder if Sam's "me too" actually meant he wished that Dean had been spared the brutal truth, and not as you say robbed of so much of his childhhood. Could he mean that he wished they had been allowed to retain their innocence together, in a shared childhood?

Sorry to say this Thursday is a repeat of Lucifer Rising. You'll have to wait for the 29th and the Curious Case.