After its successful premiere, Helix (Syfy, Fridays, 10/9C) has made a good impression. A large part of that is due to its cast, including Billy Campbell (as Dr. Alan Farragut) and Jordan Hayes (Dr. Sarah Jordan).
Earlier this week, Campbell and Hayes spoke with a group of journalists/bloggers about such topics as favorite set, the show’s biggest prankster and even a bit about what’s ahead.
Hi, Billy. Hi, Jordan. Thanks for your time today.
Billy Campbell: Good morning.
Jordan Hayes: Hey, no problem. How are you?
Good. So you know, a lot of the Syfy programs have sort have been a little bit lighter in tone. Their movies obviously are sort of deliciously campy. This is sort of a very straight forward, serious, really sort of edge of your seat type series. What did you guys like about this particular series and what exactly attracted you to it?
Campbell: Well speaking for myself, I was extremely attracted to the – you know, the sort of situation, the genre, the situation. I’m a big fan of the – both the Thing movies, the you know, the Howard Hawks one and the John Carpenter one, and Andromeda Strain is one of my big favorite films and so I was very attracted to the situation, and of course attracted to the fact that Ron Moore was attached. And not least of which was that we were shooting in Montreal. Jordan? Jordan?
Hayes: Sorry it’s breaking up a little bit.
Campbell: What – how about you Jordan?
Hayes: Me? I…
Hayes: I loved that – I loved the characters. They were obviously very smartly written and very intelligent characters. Yes, it really felt, despite being a science fiction show there was a huge emphasis on the dramatic nature of the writing, and that really attracted me as an actor.
Billy, I mean you know, to the extent that it is a sci-fi show, I mean it is very much rooted in science, it’s the kind of thing that I guess could theoretically happen. Does that sort of up the ante and sort of make it even that much more sort of, you know, interesting and appealing for the audience?
Campbell: I would guess so. I mean that’s a question for the audience. But I would, you know, I would assume that to be the case. Yes, I would say, “Yes.”
Thanks first of all for the hospitality on the set tour that we took in Montreal. It was really cool to see all of you in your work environment. And now watching some of the episodes it all kind of brings it home.
And my question is, I really like the relationship, and this is really for both of you, that you have, kind of like a mentor relationship and student, but it’s also a little more. If you can both comment on where that relationship is when the – you know, especially in the episodes that have aired so far.
Campbell: I was going to let you run with that ball.
Hayes: I think it is exactly what you just said, “It’s a mentor/student relationship.” And I think that Sarah has a lot of admiration for Alan. And she really holds his opinion in high esteem. And she really wants to make him proud and improve her worth and impress him.
And for Billy, I mean Farragut kind of walks into a storm here.
Kind of how did you approach him, kind of like you know, your acting just seems very natural in playing an element of confusion, but also using your training to kind of guide you, but you’re stepping into something you’ve never encountered before either.
Campbell: Well, I’m a genuinely fairly confused person anyway, so that helps. And then yes, it – I’m not sure that I thought about it very deeply. You know, the situation is so apparent that it didn’t seem to require that, you know, much in the way of depth of thought.
It’s a very black and white situation; we come, there’s an outbreak, there’s – and we have to contain it. And then things start getting confusing because we’re being misdirected by, you know Hatake, and there are all these sort of variables. So I didn’t – I’m not sure how I approached, tell you the truth, it’s kind of a blur, that long ago.
So we were down there on the set and we went to the cold room. Now I know, Billy, when I had talked to you at the Fan Expo, I guess they didn’t actually have the room that was cold or they were adding it or something at that point.
Does – so what do you guys feel about that? I mean does it make it easier to get in the moment, or do you just not like being cold? Because I think for me I’d rather pretend to be cold.
Campbell: Well for me it’s just a great deal. I know the crew hated the cold room. First of all, the cold room wasn’t really big enough. It was very limiting as a set. It was pretty small. And there was a lot of stuff flying around in the air, so the crew didn’t really care for it. But they could dress how they wanted, we were dolled up in nine layers of extreme cold weather gear.
So as in the beginning when we didn’t have a cold room, when we were all on the set having to do all this strenuous stuff, we were you know, not to be too graphic about it, but sweating a good deal. And that is more unpleasant than anything I can think of. I’d rather freeze than parboil any day. How about you Jordan?
Hayes: Well I never had to go into the cold room actually.
Campbell: You didn’t, that’s right you didn’t.
Hayes: I didn’t, no. But I do remember being in all of our Arctic gear in…
Hayes: …July, and it was – that was very unpleasant, yes.
Campbell: So unpleasant. So the cold room helped, I think a good deal. But in the end it was kind of untenable, it was awkward to shoot in and everyone hated it. And so by the end of the show we had – we just had left the cold room behind again.
Okay. And then so the second question, “There’s so much right now on the news obviously, about the CDC and the flu and everything going around, when you guys first started working on this, and you know, reading the script and everything, does any of it every, you know, freak you out a bit because some of it could actually happen?”
Hayes: Yes, absolutely. I mean that’s one of the greatest things about this show is that it’s dealing with something that is very real. And throughout history we’ve seen, you know, huge epidemics wipe out hundreds of millions of people. And although now thankfully we have the invention of antibiotics and we can treat things much better, you know it’s still very real and it’s still very scary, and can possibly wipe out, you know, thousands of people.
Campbell: I think it goes to like sort of our most primal fears, you know the thing which you cannot see that will come in the night and kill you from the inside out. And I can’t imagine much of anything creepier than that.
So as you – so how much were you told about your characters and what was going to happen to them? Like for example, Sarah seems to be hiding something and she has these hand tremors; were you just told to do that Jordan, or were you also told why she was – her hands were shaking?
Hayes: I was told why the – I had the hand tremors before we even started shooting. So in that regard I was made aware of that particular plot point. But there were several things that will surface throughout the season that you’ll see that we just weren’t aware of. And I think that that worked in our favor because then we weren’t – we were discovering things in the moment, which was nice because then we weren’t telegraphing things from early on in some of the earlier episodes.
Campbell: Yes. I would have to agree with that. I prefer honestly not to know what’s going on for this – for the very reason that Jordan brings up.
Now while you were filming did the cast ever, like at lunch, speculate who was going to be the next to be infected? And was there like any kind of segregation at the lunch tables like, “Get away from me.”
Campbell: There was plenty of speculation I think. I think there was a lot of fun speculation as to who might be next in all of that.
I’m so glad I get to talk about Helix again today because I had it on all weekend long and I just – I felt you know – I missed it all of a sudden today when it wasn’t on so. And I had such a great time on the tour, honestly it made a really big impact on me, even back then having no idea how the series was going to go. So thanks for that and thanks for your panel discussion then.
And I asked you this, I think back then, but I’d like to know if that’s changed because more filming’s been done since then, but what – which were your favorite one or two episodes of this season?
Campbell: I – that’s hard to say honestly. I think the one upcoming might be my favorite.
The third one?
Campbell: The one – the third one, yes.
Hayes: Yes, I think the third was my favorite as well.
Campbell: I know. I can’t say why exactly, I haven’t seen it. I haven’t seen really anything. I didn’t even get to watch this weekend.
Too bad, because it’s been kind of non-stop, at least on Saturday, which was really terrific. And what then maybe could you say are – were your best and most challenging experiences during production?
Campbell: I would say, you know, I think that would just have to do with – I don’t know. I don’t know what was – it was – the whole thing was a great deal of fun. I don’t know what really was challenging.
I mean it’s always a bit of a challenge to put yourself – to imagine yourself into the circumstances. But even that was relatively easy because of stellar cast-mates and kind of a wonderfully, creepy set and situation. And you know, I don’t know.
Jordan, was anything particularly difficult for you?
Hayes: Yes, well to answer the question about the best experience. I think just loved the team involved on the project in general. The cast and the crew really made it just such an enjoyable experience.
In terms of difficulty I think for me the most challenging part was necessarily memorizing the dialogue and understanding exactly what we were saying. It was very important for me to have a clear understanding, or as clear as possible as I could, of the science that we were referring to. So that was a little bit like going back to school, and you know, looking at old textbooks and learning about the science all over again.
You both have done a lot of genre work throughout your careers. Just as fans, do you tend to gravitate toward science fiction and horror personally or is that just sort of how things have turned out in your career?
Campbell: I dig science fiction. It’s kind of my – one of my favorite things just because – well I don’t know why exactly. I mean I always have, since I was quite young, science fiction and fantasy, possibly as an escape from my – I went to military school for six years when I was quite young. And so it was a big sort of escape for me. And I’ve loved it, I guess I’ve loved it ever since.
Hayes: Yes, I – it kind of just happened for me I guess. I have done – a fair amount of my work has been in the horror and sci-fi genre. And I guess I’m just fortunate in that regard. It wasn’t a particular choice on my part, it just kind of worked out like that.
Okay. Now Billy, you’ve had a few long-running series over the years. I was a huge fan of Once and Again and The 4400 and also The Killing and now this one hopefully. But I was wondering, with Once and Again that was obviously a network series, but most of the series you’ve done since then are cable.
How do you feel that working on a network is different than cable? And why do you think that many of the imaginative shows now seem to be shifting to cable from the traditional network model?
Campbell: Well I mean, it’s I think fairly easy to understand why that’s the case; there are simply more options on cable TV for storytelling.
I mean as a network you have to, you know you have to please a great many people, and from all, you know, parts of the spectrum and so things necessarily get a bit, you know what’ll you say, watered down. And cable is more aimed at particular niches, you know, and so you can write more specifically and more daringly. And I think that’s the big difference.
Jordan, I was going to start with you. You were just fantastic in the first two episodes. I mean…
Campbell: Hear! Hear!
…the range of emotions that Sarah went through were just – it made the character so compelling. I kind of wanted to ask, “What can we expect from Sarah moving forward?”
Hayes: Sorry, I must have misheard that because at first I thought you were referring to Billy. Yes, what can we expect from Sarah moving forward?
Yes, I think – well I think for – and this is true for all of the characters, that when you’re put in a situation like we are, where the stakes are so high, where the stakes are literally revealing them (unintelligible) life and death, your character gets challenged and you end up doing things that you don’t think that you are capable of doing.
And I can’t say too much, but I will say that Sarah’s (unintelligible) some very challenging situations where she is forced to do things that she never thought that she would be capable of doing.
Awesome. And for Billy, with both – like with both Alan’s brother and now potentially his ex-wife turned vector, will Alan be trying to save them or will they be trying to recruit him, a little of both? How’s that going to work?
Campbell: Well I would be pretty safe to say, I think, that he would be trying to save them. Whether he’s successful and whether they are willing to be saved is another question. And you know, the act of saving them of course is inherently dangerous and who knows what perils lie ahead for Alan and the whole team.
Cameron Porsandeh, who was the creator of Helix, was on my Blog Talk Radio program on Friday, and it seems that one of the things that’s not being covered about the series is that he is a first time writer/producer. This is his first television series ever and he’s come from a whole different career to do this.
And Billy and Jordan I’m wondering, what has been like to bring this newbie to television’s creation to life?
Campbell: It’s been fantastic — really fantastic. He – Cameron is a very, very talented fellow, as well as a lovely human being. And I have to say it’s been nothing but a deep pleasure to be working with him.
Hayes: Yes, I have to agree. I think Cameron is extremely talented. And it is his first year. There’s something great about that because it’s a very original concept and it’s written in a way that’s fresh. And so yes, we’re just very fortunate to have someone like him on board.
You said earlier you haven’t seen the completed episodes yet, but have you gotten any audience feedback since Syfy ran the first two episodes this weekend with limited commercial interruption — which was a curveball. And a very nice curveball because originally it was supposed to be the first episode only.
But have you heard any feedback about things like the point/counterpoint, the use of music, Do You Know the Way to San Jose, or the (unintelligible) scene that was at the end of Episode 2?
Campbell: I haven’t heard much of anything. I’m sort of cocooned down here in San Diego and I suppose will be hearing this week, you know, how the audience liked it. And I have seen a little bit on Twitter where people were – and the response seems to be mainly terrific so far. And I think people loved especially, the crazy use of the – the contrapuntal use of the music.
I am loving the series so far. In fact it’s a little bit more horrific than I think I expected. There’s a lot of shock and gore.
Special effects are great, including you know, the visual effects on the – and I guess the on-set special effects, how does that help you as an actor to kind of get into that horror frame of mind?
Campbell: Well goodness, I mean you know, you can just imagine. Well first of all Jordan actually threw up in her helmet. That was a – I’m kidding of course. But you can well imagine opening a body bag and having the goop drip out and having the skeleton there, it was all very, very conducive to that kind of feeling. Am I right Jordan?
Hayes: Yes, absolutely. And I mean if you look at Peter Farragut who’s played by Neil Napier, if you look at his makeup I mean it’s just terrifying. Our special effects team in Montreal is just unbelievable. They’re just so good.
Hayes: And I remember Neil would come and sit down next to us while we had lunch and it was unappetizing to have him sitting across from you (unintelligible). But no, I mean it does help a lot. Yes, that definitely helps you get into the mind frame of, “Look at this virus, look at what it’s doing to this person,” because the special effects makeup is just so, so good.
That particular scene is actually the one I was thinking of, with the black goo and her throwing up. That was amazing.
My next question is actually for Jordan. We spoke with Steve Maeda and he mentioned that your character was eventually supposed to be kind of back-stabby. And he said she was going to be something like Eve from All About Eve, but that when you came in and they met you and started, you know, portraying the character, that they kind of changed their mind with the way that the character went. Is that something that you were aware of?
Hayes: No, it wasn’t actually. Oh, that’s funny. No, I wasn’t aware of that at all. But I think, I mean I think I’m going to take it as a compliment.
And yes as – I mean as we said before, we’re kind of – we have the luxury of discovering these characters episode by episode, and I hope that my discovery is there along the way, turns out as good as it could. Yes, I never saw her as a backstabbing kind of character so I’m – I guess I’m happy that they changed their mind on that.
I know I’m going back a little bit but I wanted to find out what maybe sticks out most in both your minds about shooting the pilot episode. And is there either, I don’t know a memorable or especially challenging scene that you can recall from that shoot for both of you?
Campbell: Well I mean for me I think it harkens back to the outside stuff before we had a cold room. I mean we were, in the very first couple or few days we were swaddled in our extreme cold weather gear on a stage with fake snow blowing around and in the middle of summer. And it was horrible. And I think I – in fact I remember I got sick because I ingested so much crap, crud into my lungs I got quite sick for a couple of weeks.
So that’s the thing that sticks out to me from the pilot, other than just being so insanely happy to be in Montreal again.
And how about you Jordan?
Hayes: I think the experience that standing out the most for me was the first time that I walked into the BSL4 Lab, onto that set, was kind of great. It was just so wonderful to see all of the scientific paraphernalia and kind of get to play around with it. And we had an actual scientist on set who was showing us exactly what every instrument did. And yes, I think that was the funnest part for me.
I have a couple of questions but first of all, you both have a lot of technical dialogue, how do you – did you get any coaching in that area? And what’s it been like to recite some of that stuff?
Campbell: Well I honestly had very much – I did not have nearly the technical dialogue that Jordan had and I’m deeply, deeply thankful. And so I’ll pass that along to Jordan.
Hayes: You had a lot of technical dialogue. Yes, I’ve never found memorizing lines to be difficult. As I said earlier, the most important thing for me was to have a clear of an understanding of the science that we were referring to. And yes, we did have a scientist on set who was there to help us whenever we had questions.
And I was also fortunate enough, my older brother majored in anatomy and biology, so whenever I wanted clarification on something he would whip out one of his massive text books and try and teach me with drawings and in very layman terms how the science was working that I was referring to.
But no, I think that it’s – I think it’s great. I don’t think – I like that they didn’t dumb down the science in it. I think that it adds to the show and it makes it just a more intelligent and interesting show. You know it’s – at times it can be difficult for the audience to understand exactly what we’re referring to, but if you think about the reality this is how scientists talk, you know?
Yes. And the hazmat suits, how were they to work in?
Hayes: Well they were very real.
Campbell: They were very real. I mean they were – they weren’t built for the show, they were real hazmat suits. And I would have this to say about them; they weren’t as uncomfortable as they might – as you might think, because they were, you know ventilated. We had a pack on the back that actually ventilated the helmet. So they were pretty cool to work in.
They were a pain to put on. And they are – unless, you know, you looked like Jordan or Kyra they’re not terribly flattering. So they had that going on for them, or didn’t have that going on for them in my case. So yes, that’s all I’d have to say about those. Jordan?
Hayes: Well I – yes I just remember one time Billy you – like Billy said, there’s these ventilation packs. So we actually – the helmets were sealed off so we actually had oxygen being pumped into our helmets. And I can remember at least once, maybe twice Billy, you pulled my hose out of the pack.
So yes, no, they were fun. Yes, like Billy said, they were difficult to get into. But I really liked them and I think they look really cool on screen. So I think it worked out well.
Campbell: That’s because you look the way you do.
I’m curious, a lot of times with series nowadays just because – I guess because people, I don’t know, they can’t seem to keep their attention span as long as they should, I like it better that way, but a lot of shows they are always talking about, “Okay, we’re going to be procedural, we’re not going to be – you know the mythology, everything. And it seems like this is a show that really can’t be completely procedural, which I think is a great thing.
But can you talk about that? Is there any kind of balance with that, or do people – are people really have to watch previous episodes to understand what’s going on?
Campbell: By procedural, you mean episodic?
Yes, like Mystery of the Week, you don’t have to watch them all…
Campbell: Yes, so it’s all contained within an episode, yes. No, this will be more along the lines of uncovering, you know uncovering a mythology and a sort of a deeper story. So I would say that, “Watching any one particular episode would be exciting, but you wouldn’t get the, you know, the full excitement or fulfillment unless you sort of carried on watching all the way through.”
Yes, that’s good to know. I like that better, but I don’t know, some people complain.
Campbell: I do too like it better. I don’t see any reason to be – unless you’re a show like, you know, Law & Order or something like that… I don’t see the real reason in being all that episodic. The beauty of the serial form is telling a story over the long-term, developing situations and characters and so forth. I don’t – I mean the episodic model doesn’t, and really never has, entirely appealed to me.
Great. Helps suck you in, that’s what I like. If it’s not continued you don’t keep coming back as much.
So my other question is, on the other call that we did with Steven Maeda and Kyra, they talked a bit about how we are – and you mentioned early in the call that we’re going to get to see a little bit more per se outside the base and we will get some other guest stars just because hallucinations and all of that. Can you talk at all about that, just tease kind of any of that that we will be seeing?
Campbell: Well sure. I mean what I can say is that, “The story does open up.” And so we are not confined to the base the entire time, and that other characters do enter – make an entrance into the story, into the situation and they change things up in a very big way. So yes, I would say. Jordan do you have anything to add to that?
Hayes: Yes, I mean I think that we’re allowed to say this because it’s public knowledge, but as you probably know Jeri Ryan comes into the show and that’s just kind of…
Campbell: And kicks ass.
Hayes: Yes, she’s great. She’s awesome. And that just kind of reinforces the notion of how we get to this base and we think we’re dealing with one thing and it’s actually dealing with several other things. So as those several other things begin to surface you’ll see more and more characters come out as well.
You had previously talked about how the cast didn’t like the cold room, but did you guys have a favorite part of the set to work with, or was there something on the set that you found particular creepy?
Hayes: Yes, well I – yes, the sets were really great, particularly creepy.
Campbell: You know what set I love – I really loved was when we did the episode with Jeremiah directing and we went to – we go off base, Kyra and I, and we go off to an abandoned listening station. And I can’t tell you what happens, but it was dreadfully, dreadfully creepy. The set folks, the set designers and decorators, did an amazing, amazing job with this place. And what happens there is intensely, intensely creepy. And I just – I think that was one of my favorite sets.
Now with the show getting – it gets really intense, like how do you manage to keep things light and fun on the set while also like doing those intense scenes?
Hayes: How do we manage?
Campbell: Well Jordan is a great prankster and…
Hayes: No, no, no, Billy is a huge prankster.
Campbell: Don’t try to turn it back on me.
Hayes: Come on.
Campbell: Don’t even pretend. Everyone knows that Jordan is like – we can – it’s very, very difficult to even get her to, like you know, be serious for a scene. It’s – she’s crazy, I don’t know what to say.
Hayes: I mean I think I can’t speak for everyone, but I had such a great time with this cast and this crew. It was very, very easy to keep it light on set.
Hayes: Yes, everyone was just very friendly. And yes, we all just really got along together.
Campbell: Yes, yes.
Hayes: So it was very light and easy on set, yes.
Campbell: It was wonderful. You know there are a lot of sets when, you know, when actors aren’t on camera they all scurry back to their individual dressing rooms and never see each other except when they’re in front of the camera. And I don’t think a single one of us ever went to back to our trailers between shots. We all sat as a group on the set, you know, playing games and chit-chatting. And then – and which was, I think deeply appreciated by the, you know by the crew, because when they called us to be in front of the camera, there we were in like 8-1/2 seconds.
Campbell: So yes. So it was a very special situation that way. And I have to say, I have to also add to that that I think it – that it might have been my favorite crew of all time.
Hayes: Yes, I have to agree. The crew was really, really spectacular.
Those scenes in the ventilating duct seemed like very claustrophobic just watching. And I was wondering, what was it like to deal with that as an actor? Was it as tight as it seemed? And how was that to negotiate as an actor?
Campbell: Well it was, you know, I mean it was pretty tight. It wasn’t as tight as it could have been. It – I mean mainly the pain was getting in and out of them and then scrambling around on your elbows and knees, which you know, would begin to hurt pretty badly after a few minutes.
Campbell: So it was, you know I mean it seems more claustrophobic probably in the viewing than it does in the execution because you don’t see that just around the end of course, is the opening. And so you never feel like you’re – I never felt like I was trapped or anything like that. I’m not a particularly claustrophobic person to begin with, but it was less cramped than it appears.
Then also getting off on a slight sidetrack here, beyond Helix you also have a new Lifetime movie about Lizzie Borden that’s just about to come up. I was just wondering what – if you could tell us a little bit about that? Were you familiar with the case before taking the role? And what was it like to go back in time on such an infamous case?
Campbell: It was a good deal of fun. I mean I – it’s not – I’m – I don’t have a big role or anything, I play Lizzie Borden’s lawyer. And I knew the director from before, he did – he directed some of The 4400.
And I was, most of all, I was just anxious to go to Halifax and – which is a place that is near and dear to heart, and I have many friends there. And I knew the project would be good. And so I went to Halifax.
It was a great deal of fun. I love – I adore Christina Ricci and I think the show will be terrific. And so I had a great time. I had a wonderful time drinking Guinness at my favorite – one of my favorite pubs in the world.
I have a couple of follow-ups. The first one is a little bit technical. The atmosphere of the show is really, really neat, I think, with the lighting and such. And I wanted to find out maybe if you could speak a little bit about that at all, and working with the DOP and creating that atmosphere. Anything you can speak of on that regard?
Campbell: Jordan? I’ve been yakking a lot.
Hayes: Yes, our – yes, we have – sorry?
Campbell: No, no, I was just punting that to you.
Hayes: Okay. Got it. Yes, so our DP is Steve McNutt and he is, I mean, he’s just amazing. I mean I don’t understand lighting at all, it’s kind of like a mystery to me. But it really – I think it really makes the show.
You know, the – I – like Billy, I – actually I didn’t see the entire two hours, but I mean from what I’ve seen had this huge effect on the mood of the show. And yes, he’s just so incredibly talented, I think that we really lucked out getting him on board.
Campbell: Yes, yes. Yes, McNutt.
And there’s a follow-up for Billy. Just wanted to find out if I could get your take on Alan’s and Julia’s relationship on the show, and maybe what you enjoyed most about sort of developing that on camera?
Campbell: Well you know, I’m not sure we did all that much about developing it on camera. I mean that’s the – sort of the purview of the writers.
Campbell: They write that stuff, they develop it, and we just, you know, kind of do what they write.
But it wasn’t, you know again, with this cast it wasn’t difficult to have chemistry with anyone. There were no divas, there were no monsters of any kind, except in front of the camera running around with goo coming out of our mouths. It was just a wonderful, wonderful situation. And in that case, it’s really not difficult to develop chemistry with anyone.
You know, the times when it’s hard to have chemistry with someone is when you don’t like them as a person, and then you have to go in front of the camera when – you know, and pretend to like someone or even be in love with someone that you actively dislike. That’s – that can be really difficult.
And on this show there was none of that. I actively loved everyone I worked with, which just made it so wonderful to go to work.
So can you both just quickly describe your characters in three words.
Campbell: My goodness.
Hayes: You go first Billy.
Campbell: No wait a minute, this might even be more fun. How about we describe each other’s characters in three words?
Okay, that works.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to make it so hard.
Campbell: No, this is hilarious. This is wonderful. Intelligent, of course. I would say there’s just a little, there’s just a spark of defiance, I would say, “Intelligent, defiant and, well sexy.”
Hayes: Okay, Alan Farragut is commendable. Yes, why not? Standup guy, I know that’s not one word, but yes, standup guy. And…
Hayes: …sensitive. What?
Campbell: I was trying to put your standup guy into one word and I came up with forthright.
Hayes: Yes and that – yes, that’s the perfect word. And yes, and sensitive.
Campbell: I think that fairly does it, I think that does it pretty well.
Yes, that’s good. All right, well thank you, both of you, so much.
Hayes: Thank you.
Campbell: Well, thank you.
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